Amey Modak wrote…
Possibly this could be misunderstanding of astronomical year convention by the person whose dates are under consideration. It seems like few events (at least 2) do match for year 3140 BCE (-3139)…
Will let you know in bit details later…
Amey also elaborated in another post….
So I further checked the astronomical events mentioned here for year 3140 BCE instead of 3139 BCE using Stellarium v 0.13.2.
These events almost match for 3140 BCE as follows,
– 12 October 3140 BCE does seem amavasya & moon is near Jyeshtha. (13th is shukla pratipada)
– 20 December 3140 BCE : moon near Rohini, tithi seems to be dashami & not ashtami (mostly Maagh shukla 10 as the full moon would be near Magha after 5 days). But important point is this day is NOT winter solstice day. It would occur around 22-23 days later (12/13 Jan)
– 26th August 3140 BCE (instead of 31st) is been shown as full moon day. Not sure about lunar eclipse on this day as Stellarium doesn’t show that (probably limitation of Stellarium). As a consequence 10th September is amavasya. Again Stellarium did not show 10th Sept as solar eclipse.
– Moon is near Revati on 23rd (24th?) September 3140 BCE. However, autumnal equinox is around 21-22 days ahead.
– Moon near Pushya on 2nd October 3140 BCE.
Nilesh, I hope Voyager too shows the same dates for year 3140 BCE?
The software used by Saroj Bala Ji probably uses astronomical year convention, ie. 0 = 1 BCE, -1 = 2 BCE, -9 = 10 BCE, -999 = 1000 BCE, -3139 = 3140 BCE. So it seems like she actually checked the dates for year 3140 BCE but the software showed for year -3139.
I checked Planetarium Gold (tryout version) which uses same astronomical year convention. I feel this is the software used by her.
Interestingly Planetarium Gold ALWAYS shows the 4 cardinal events (equinoxes & solstices) as per Gregorian calendar ie. 19/20/21 December as winter solstice, 22/23 september as autumnal equinox & so on. (ie. it’s actually using Gregorian calendar)
Good investigation by Amey. We will analyze claim of Shrimati Saroj Bala ji for this adjusted timeline.
There is a reason to believe that this 3140 BCE is indeed in her mind. At least some of her claims match with relevant simulations by astronomy software.
We will continue to analyze her claim.
Here is the first installment that I wrote, in response, to Amey.
Please specify if 12 October, 20 December etc. in your above post are per Julian or Gregorian calendar?
20 December 3140 BCE (per Gregorian calendar) is day after winter solstice, so that is ok (at least for the claim of Bhishma Nirvana matching with winter solstice)
12 October 3140 BCE (Gregorian) is Vadya/Krishna 13, two days before Amawasya. If we give her proposal, a benefit of doubt, for moon correction..we may move the day by 2 to match with Amawasya, in which case 14 October 3140 BCE will become her claim for first day of War.
In which case Bhishma Nirvana chronology would look like 9 days of October – from 23 October (Fall of Bhishma on 10th day of war)
30 days of November and 19 days of December
9 + 30+ 19 = 58 days for Bhishma on the bed of arrows. A timeline good at least per traditional deluded claim of 58 days (of course wrong per Mahabharata narrative evidence of >92 days. but we will leave it at this for now).
Of course, the war is beginning, per her claim (assuming she is ok with 14 October 3140 BCE as the first day of War) then the timing is peak of Sharad. And per her claim, Krishna was in Hastinapur long before this and it was already an end of Sharad season and beginning of Hemant season!
So, I agree that it is most likely that she took 3140 BCE as what she states it to be 3139 BCE.
Will re-look at her other dates to find out what they show up