Irrelevant digressions & Nitpicking (Upakhyan 2 – 58 vs 92+, Phadnis vs Oak)

Shri Phadnis writes…

“How many days have passed since end of war before this visit? It is not specifically mentioned. Inferences can be drawn but some variation will remain as, how many days had passed since Pandavas’ entry into Hastinapur before this visit, is not mentioned.

Here I wish to draw attention to another reference I came across. Shanti GP 45-1 to 11 says Yudhishthira settled administration and started ruling Hastinapur. Text does not state how many days it took. However very many actions of Yudhishthira as a king and as a head of the Kurus are described in detail which should take several days between Yudhishthira entering Hastinapur and making a visit (at last) to Bhishma.

Thereafter I find in Shanti – GP46 – 11 to 23 that Krishna advises Yudhishthira to meet Bheeshma and seek Rajadharma advice. The mention here that Bheeshma was seeking Krishna Darshan and Krishna understood it by Antardnyan is all just Krishna Mahatmya (bullshit in other words). Either this is a latter day interpolation to give credit to Krishna for everything or, reallistically, Krishna merely reminded Yudhishthira to follow Vyasa’s earlier advice to meet Bhishma without delay. Why the reminder? Matters were obviously reaching urgency level as not many days of dakshinayana remained. Shri Oak has not mentioned this reference in his list.”
Any of these references are not much useful to conclusively fix the month name or tithi of the Day of Yudhishthira’s visit to Bheeshma or days lapsed till then, from end of war on 18th day.”

My Response…

Numerous comments or specific references quoted by Shri Phadnis are irrelevant, by his own admission, to determine chronological sequence or duration of Bhishma on the bed of arrows.

For example..

“After a lot of irrelevant Krishna Mahatmya prior to these shlokas, text says Yudhishthir finally went to meet Bheeshma. Here also there is no mention of tithi or month. Here the list of visitors includes many names, besides Pandavas and Krishna-Satyaki. Some further Krishnamahatmya follows.”

OR

Thereafter I find in Shanti – GP46 – 11 to 23 that Krishna advises Yudhishthira to meet Bheeshma and seek Rajadharma advice. The mention here that Bheeshma was seeking Krishna Darshan and Krishna understood it by Antardnyan is all just Krishna Mahatmya (bullshit in other words). Either this is a latter day interpolation to give credit to Krishna for everything or, reallistically, Krishna merely reminded Yudhishthira to follow Vyasa’s earlier advice to meet Bhishma without delay. Why the reminder? Matters were obviously reaching urgency level as not many days of dakshinayana remained. Shri Oak has not mentioned this reference in his list.”
Any of these references are not much useful to conclusively fix the month name or tithi of the Day of Yudhishthira’s visit to Bheeshma or days lapsed till then, from end of war on 18th day.”

The gist of remaining comment(s) of Shri Phadnis is that either the additional references he has quoted or reference 108 (from my book), by themselves are not useful in determining exact duration (number of days) between return of Yudhishthir from Ganga and his first visit to Bhishma.

I am in 100% agreement.

Shri Phadnis also states that references identified by him (GP  45:1-11, GP 46:11-23) or reference 108 (from my book – GP 47:105-108) “are not much  useful to conclusively fix the month name or tithi of the day to of Yudhishthir’s visit to Bhishma”

I am in 100% agreement. In fact I would assert that they are NOT useful at all in determining lunar month or tithi of the day Yudhishthir’s visit to Bhishma.

Shri Phadnis writes…

“However very many actions of Yudhishthira as a king and as a head of the Kurus are described in detail which should take several days between Yudhishthira entering Hastinapur and making a visit (at last) to Bhishma.”

Again, I am in 100% agreement.

I have designated this unknown duration = X days

Shri Phadnis also states that “these references are not much useful to conclusively…… or days lapsed till then, from end of war on 18th day.”

On this count, Shri Phadnis is wrong.

It is true that we will not able to estimate the exact number of days lapsed, however we can estimate, with certainty, minimum number of days passed.

They equal to 9 + 1 + Y  (another unknown, per Shri Phadnis, where Y>=0) + 27 (Minimum duration for a lunar month) + X.

Thus,

# of days Bhishma on the bed of arrows when Yudhishthir went to meet Bhishma, for the first time, after returning from Ganga = 9+ 1 + Y + 27 + X

= (37 + X + Y) days (minimum)

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2 thoughts on “Irrelevant digressions & Nitpicking (Upakhyan 2 – 58 vs 92+, Phadnis vs Oak)

  1. Since both X and Y are not ascertainable it is clear that the number of days elapsed from 10th day of war to visit to Bhishma cannot be established. All we can say is they are more than 37. I have emphasized that Vyasa had indicated a need of urgency in meeting Bhishma. So when Yudhishthira finally meets Bhishma 56 more days cant be balance. Urgency was there because 37 + X + Y days out of 57 were already over!

    • Correct as far as >37 is concerned. In fact I had stuck to verifiable 9 (last 9 nights of War) + 27 + X = 36 +X days before Krishna and party met Bhishma.

      This is when Krishna refers to Bhishma having to spend 56 days more…

      So, that makes it 36+ 56 + X = 92 +X days for Bhishma on bed of arrows, hence my assertion of >92 or 92+ days.

      More to come…

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