“If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.”
― Eldridge Cleaver
Our reader writes….
“Ref. No. 11 – मघासु अंगारको वक्रः comes in Bhishmaparava just at beginning of war. Actually it happened more than one year before the proposed date of war! By the beginning of war Mars has gone to Shravan. Why is Vyasa referring to an old event and calling it a bad omen? If true, it will be equally true or relevant if 1st day of war was in December. Ref No 13 and 15.
No. 13 is stated by Karna to Krishna, just a few days prior to commencement of war. Actually Mars passed through that part of its journey four months back and by that day had moved on to Shravan. So why is Karna calling it a bad omen for Duryodhan? It would be equally bad then for any different date for 1st date of war. No. 15 is in the speech of Vyasa to Dhritarashtra again at beginning of war. Mars at Shravan, current position, is also described as a bad omen! Maybe, if 1st day of war was some days later, it would still be a bad omen.
These both references cant be considered as corroborating the proposed date.
Ref. No. 11. Translation of श्रवणे च बृहस्पतिः as done by Oak is correct and the Vakri motions of Jupiter are seen. But something strange here! Both the vakri motions of Jupiter, near Shravan, occur much later than 16th Oct. 5561 BC, on 6th April 5560BC and 23 Nov. 5560 BC, not even in the proposed year of war! They have no relevance to the war! How Vyasa is mentioning this at all, at beginning of war? No corroboration of 16th Oct. or 5561BC.”
In this part, I will focus on portions of our reader’s comments highlighted in bold.
Readers comments (highlighted in ‘bold’) shows reader’s misunderstanding of both – the claim & the corresponding corrboration, of Mahabharata text evidence.
Unless a planetary observation (of Mahabharata text) was made at a specific time (day and time) of the War, a researcher has to interpret it based on the content and context of the observation itself.
For example, when Mahabharata text states that ‘Jupiter and Saturn remained steady for a YEAR in the vicinity of nakshtara Vishakha, and became bright’, natually this observation would be applicable for a time interval of ~ One Year and it must be corrborated (per Tarskian ‘correspondance theory of truth) for a year long period. Naturally, the obsevation was not meant for 18 days of the War, but rather for a year long period sometime close to the War.
This is also true when ‘Mars is described as traveling ‘Vakri…..TWICE! ….once near nakshatra Magha and then again near Nakshatras Anuradha/Jyeshtha’
Since we know that Mars goes ‘vakri’ (in the sense of traditional ‘retrograde’) only once in two years (or ~every two years), natually, the Mahabharata observations were made over a period of TWO YEARS, surronding the War.
In fact, these two observations (coupled with many other) led me to my conjecture that ‘planetary’ observations of Mahabharata text were made over a period about 30 months!. No surprises there.
Thus, my theory (and proposal) claims the corroboration of ‘planetary’ observations of Mahabharata text for this broad ~30 months long time interval surrounding the Mahabharata War (16 October – 2 November 5561 BCE). In effect, this refers to a time period from 5562 BCE through 5560 BCE.
All 27 planetary observations of Mahabharata text show marvelous corrboration for year 5561 BCE. This is what I mean..when I state that ‘my every attempt to falsify proposed War interval and Year (16 October – 2 November 5561 BCE) of Dr. P V Vartak failed when I tested his timeline against Mahabharata planetary observations’.
Against this background, note the following statements of our reader (from his quotes above) where he fails to comprehend the ‘corroboration’.
‘These both references cant be considered as corroborating the proposed date.’
‘They have no relevance to the war! How Vyasa is mentioning this at all, at beginning of war? No corroboration of 16th Oct. or 5561BC.’
Most of the planetary (but not all, see exceptions below) observations and their corroboration, so claimed by me, is valid (as reader correctly points out) for a ~30 monhts long time interval (5562 BCE through 5560 BCE) and not for a specific 18 day time interval.
The exceptions include, for example:
(1) Jupiter afflicting nakshatra Rohini, after sunset, on the 17th day of the War
(2) ‘Tiryak’ rising of Mercury, as noted on the 17th day of the War
(3) Mars, Venus and Mercury, in the western sky, after sunset, on the 18th (and thus last) day of the War
(4) Seven planets attacking full moon, on the 14th day of the war, after sunset.
(5) Seven planets along the the Sun, on the first day of War
(6) Seven planets going away from the Sun, on the 17th day of the War.
It appears that our reader, incorrectly, assumed that my claim for corrboration of ‘planetary evidence’ was for the 18 days of the War (16 October – 2 November 5561 BCE). Of course, I did not make any such claim. In fact, it appears that our reader’s confusion is driven by his desire to move the 18 day interval of the War closer to 30/31 January 5560 BCE (the day of winter solstice aka day of Bhishma Nirvana). This desire, appears to be driven by, insistance on reducing time of Bhishma on bed of arrows.
Again, our reader is to be congratulated and thanked for his meticulous ability and willingness to go in such details. I have not seen this ability, willingness and capablity among Mahabharata researchers barring few notable exceptions (Shankar Balarkrishna Dikshit, R N Iyengar, P V Kane, P V Holay, P V Vartak). In fact work of good number of Mahabharata researchers can be described as extremely casual, careless, inductive and something that shows clear lack of scientific/deductive acumen.